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New tribe leader system - Female/Male Leaders and Advisors. Gods shouldn't abuse their power.

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New tribe leader system - Female/Male Leaders and Advisors. Gods shouldn't abuse their power.

Post by Atlantis on Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:17 am

First topic message reminder :

The actual tribe system is similar to a militar one, where the tribes look to be "armies". We have:

Tribe leader - the commander
Lieutenant - second in command

The other ranks are generally the "militar units".
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I think this kind of system is outdated. We have several users that they have characters with their unique personalities. So the tribe leader can't command anymore because it would be a tyrant. We have kingdoms that can't be administrated with the power only in the hands of one person. It looks to be a dictatorship system and the majority of people will be certainly upsed by that.

I think the tribe leader system can be improved with the following changes.

1. We have male and female for every tribe. So the leadership isn't anymore in the hand of one dragon, but two dragons. There's a male exponent and a female exponent.

2. We don't have a Liutenant anymore. The leaders will be supported by several Advisors. There's no limit of Advisors a tribe can have. Advisors have the important role to support the leaders, listening tribe members and understand the needs of the tribe.

To do a example. The SeaWing could have
1. Korramyr - Male Leader
2. ShiningWater - Female Leader
3. Atlantis - Advisor
4. Other advisor
5. Other advisor
...

A more interested project would be to split the kingdoms in feuds. There're Duke/Dukess that rule over a territory and they support the leaders. However this kind of project is very complicated to do for now. So we have simply Advisors to make it easier and the userbase will understand better their role. Advisors will make the life certainly easier to tribe leaders.

Also, I suggest to remove the semi-god state of tribe leaders. I think it's very important that tribe leaders can be challenged (or replaced) for the throne. This will give equality to all the dragons and prevent a leader to have a role of tyrant. However challenging a tribe leader isn't something that can be done carefree. There must be good reasons behind that.

For example, Volcanis can challenge ShadowFire and try to conquer the throne. However, the other FireWings would prefer to have ShadowFire as their leader. So Volcanis can't actually challenge the leader because he isn't supported by tribe members.

Another example: Atlantis can challenge Korramyr for the throne. They could be both two good male leaders and the SeaWings will split into two sides. So a fight will decide who is the new ruler. However Atlantis would never challenge Korramyr because he knows Korramyr is a good leader.

Third example: The majority of Advisors and tribe members agree a tribe leader needs to be changed. So the actual tribe leader will simply step down and a new one will be choosen.

To all tribe leaders: don't be scared to lose your "God" powers. If you're really a good and wise leader, you won't lose your rank because your character fits the role very well. A tribe leader should be choosen for the ability to listen and take care of tribe members, not for the strenght. As I have said at the start of this topic, the military system can't really work. There're emotions and feelings involved during a roleplay. People need to openly manifest the personalities of their characters without the fear that a tribe leader can punish the character because the leader has god powers.

Also, Dragon Gods should simply be creators. I have seen they can influence the events in Pyyria and take decision for others.

I suggest: Gods characters should be exclusively used to give suggestions. Or else Gods look as dictactors if they can do whatever they want, abusing their God-state.

I'm not accusing anyone. I know nobody is using its character to act as a tyrant. You're all very awesome people and you'll always do your best. I'm simply saying the actual system looks to be dictatorial, though you don't have the intention to be dictactors. We need more equality in the forum.


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Re: New tribe leader system - Female/Male Leaders and Advisors. Gods shouldn't abuse their power.

Post by Atlantis on Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:10 am

Trinyah wrote:Alright, I'll stop doing what I was doing and update the damn thing. There, you happy now? -_____-

Trin, it's your duty to apply new changes. (and also of other admins).

Take the time you need. No hurry.

I was just surprised that after a week there was no consideration about "effectively" applying the new changes. That's all.

Edit: I think we simply have tribe "Leaders" and we cut off the "male" and "female" thing. Because there're the IceWings, for example, that have FrostFlare and Snowfall as leaders (but they're both females)

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Re: New tribe leader system - Female/Male Leaders and Advisors. Gods shouldn't abuse their power.

Post by Frostflare on Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:01 am

Yes, so is it activated yet? I will have to check.

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Re: New tribe leader system - Female/Male Leaders and Advisors. Gods shouldn't abuse their power.

Post by Atlantis on Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:03 am

I think it's quite confusing to have "IceWing Female Leader" or "SkyWing Female Leader". A tribe can have also two leaders of the same gender now.

What about to simply have Tribe Leaders?

So Kokoro would become "SkyWing Leader", me "SeaWing Leader" and so on..

The name "leader" doesn't necessarily mean boss. Leader is simply someone that leads and can share the leadership with another member.

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Re: New tribe leader system - Female/Male Leaders and Advisors. Gods shouldn't abuse their power.

Post by Alysha on Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:55 am

yeah, it looks like it's the same of king or queen but one is not forced to mate with someone of the same tribe, is free to do it or to mate someone from the outside, also it's a good thing to me to have two leaders that collaborate ^^ and this doesn't mean they can't be mate. it makes everything more esy to me
because with the word king, one still think the mate is the queen by force, so it's more free and easy to name the leaders...leaders XD in fact king and queen are leaders (or tyrant in some case xD lol)

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Post by Akreious on Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:19 am

Alysha when I think of tyrants I think of frieza from DBZ O.o alright back on topic, I honestly like le new system! I honestly don't have any objections

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Re: New tribe leader system - Female/Male Leaders and Advisors. Gods shouldn't abuse their power.

Post by Frostflare on Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:06 pm

We already have the situation solved, there is no reason to add on.

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Re: New tribe leader system - Female/Male Leaders and Advisors. Gods shouldn't abuse their power.

Post by Atlantis on Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:18 am

Updating this topic again.

What is the current system? Kokoro is again SkyWing Queen, but with the new system we have abandoned the Kingdom System and we should have Dragon Territories.

So what's the rule, again? We have got a poll for a reason, so I'm wondering what's happening now.

My suggestion is to simply have "SkyWing Leader" or "IceWing Leader" and remove the "Female" and "Male" thing.

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Re: New tribe leader system - Female/Male Leaders and Advisors. Gods shouldn't abuse their power.

Post by Erinyes on Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:27 am

yeah since they can be both of the same gender and mate or NOT (one is free to choose smeone out the tribe as mate and not forced by the king/queen thing)
Leader, anyway, it's the same thing as king just without restriction and with no risk of a dictation letting only one to decide everything for everyone its own

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Post by Celestia on Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:56 am

Its up to the leaders how they want to run their tribe. If the SkyWing leader wants to be called queen then thats what shes to be called. If she wan't to mate only within her own tribe then thats her choice. If the SeaWing leader wants to be called leader and have another leader of the opposite gender as well as mate outside of their tribe then thats their choice. Koko wanted to be called queen so I changed her title back to queen. That doesn't mean you are all queens and kings as well unless you want to be and just because you are called a queen or king that doesn't mean you have to mate within your own tribe or anything. Like I said earlier its up to the person leading the tribe as to how they want to run it.

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Re: New tribe leader system - Female/Male Leaders and Advisors. Gods shouldn't abuse their power.

Post by Erinyes on Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:39 am

everyone voted for a system, I agree that one may would be called in another way, but it should be done in a way that everyone knows and don't cause trouble, or the poll and discussion will not be considered
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yeah ok so each tribe can have a leader or a king, or a leader/king-system despite the title (one may would like to be a tyrant too),
but if the system is still the same, queen title make confusion, let me try to explain,
becase to the users it sound like the mate will be automatically a king,
or there will be only one guiding the tribe if there will be no mate.
Also if it's this way and one can decide how to be called (and leader, as I said, in my idea was the same as king i don't see the problem, it was to semplyfy things) it should be more specific (a reference to this new system, telling that if one is called queen or leader doesn't change the actual system) so who don't know or is new to the forum will not be confused


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Post by Atlantis on Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:45 am

Ok Astral, this makes much more sense.

However this changes the whole system because tribes don't have the same legislation anymore.

The users have voted to have two leaders for tribe, not that leaders can choose to share the leadership or remain King/Queen. There's a big difference between the two things.

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